Wednesday, September 29, 2010

My Love-Hate Relationship with the new Tea Party Movement

I shared Tim Rutten's op-ed The GOP/'tea' party radicalism, which I thought summed up my feelings about the radical Tea Party movement calling Obama extremist and some serious problems with denial of global warming and the like, to which my friend replies:
Oh, we evil Tea Party People!

Please, do tell what is wrong with these beliefs:

Illegal Aliens Are Here illegally.
Pro-Domestic Employment Is Indispensable.
Stronger Military Is Essential.
Special Interests Must Be Eliminated.
Gun Ownership Is Sacred.
Government Must Be Downsized.
National Budget Must Be Balanced.
Deficit Spending Must End.
Bail-out And Stimulus Plans Are Illegal.
Reduced Personal Income Taxes Are A Must.
Reduced Business Income Taxes Is Mandatory.
Political Offices Should Be Available To Average Citizens.
Intrusive Government Must Be Stopped.
English As Core Language Is Required.
Traditional Family Values Are Encouraged.

And don't ever start with the claim that the Tea Party a racist organization!

The hate speech of the left is at a fevered pitch! Elections are right around the corner! We're in for a couple nice years of gridlock, after a couple years of "Change You Can Believe In."
We agree on many points, but bumper stickers only catch a part of the story.


On aliens, yes, they're here illegally, but if we could magically make the people all go "home," it would make a horrible mess.  I wrote about it four years ago.  Have you ever driven over the speed limit?  That was illegal, too.  Just how bad is illegal immigration?  I'm pretty sure it's somewhere between speeding and murder, but as a society, we have yet to agree on the severity of the crime or what to do about it. Further, how do you reconcile smaller government with resolving the immigration problem through enforcement?

On the pro-domestic employment front, we agree.  In fact, I fold that in with the reduced personal income taxes and reduced business income taxes.  Let's repeal those taxes for all but the wealthy (because wide income disparity within a culture breeds all kinds of chaos [1][2]) and mostly replace them with a value-added tax.  A national sales tax, if you will.  We'd still wind up paying 28% of our income as taxes, but consumption would be disincentivized and employment encouraged.  That would help to balance the trade deficit, employ more people, and possibly make the tax code more fair.  It would be important to have an exemption for groceries so as not to make the tax especially regressive.  For comparison, European VAT is about 19%, but it's folded into the sticker price at the store.

I don't understand why we need a stronger military.  That sounds like military-industrial complex propaganda, and I consider the war in Iraq a result of the propaganda.  Our military already has enough nukes to blow up the world several times over, and has demonstrated great capacity over the last decade. However, using our finest to carry out such missions of contractor enrichment is an abuse of our troops.  I wrote about that three years ago.  We have a choice: guns or butter.  I prefer butter.

Special interests must be eliminated.  Mostly.  Where do you draw the line?  Shall the federal government build no highways in Alaska or Hawaii because they don't connect to other states?  Where will you put the military bases?  Where will you put NASA facilities?  Or will you cancel NASA because it's a special interest?  Sadly, my fundamental effort (National Institutes of Health, for example) becomes your "special interest" (research into some obscure disease).  It's really hard to eliminate it if we can't define it.  But can we get rid of lobbyists while we're at it? :)

I support gun ownership, too.  Again, where to draw the line?  I think we're agreed that individuals should not own nuclear warheads and ICBMs... I think we're agreed that Ted Kaczynski shouldn't have a gun.  Who else?  We've struck a compromise to protect society from the extremes.

I would like to downsize the government, but I don't know how it's practical in a cost-effective sense without having serious negative implications on our society.  We want roads, sewer, water, clean air to breathe, and so on.  As a society, we have agreed that children are entitled to an education.  We want to be protected from the Red Menace.  On the other hand, there are quite a few things the government could do to be less intrusive in our personal affairs: quit with the income tax thing (as before, for all but the exceptionally well-to-do), get out of the religious discussion about who can marry, legalize marijuana (not that I want it, but I know folks who would benefit from it medicinally), no more warrant wiretapping without warrants, and so forth.  But I would not go as far as a pure Libertarian.  We still need the FCC, FAA, EPA, and somebody to watch out for the Gulf of Mexico.  TSA is a good candidate for elimination!

Balancing the budget fortunately spells zero deficit spending unless some emergency thing comes up.  I was tickled when the budget was actually balanced for the first time in my lifetime for the last few years of the Clinton administration.  Alas, Republicans actually cut taxes and keep on spending.  The Bush tax cuts unraveled that situation almost immediately.  I am irritated with the Republican Party for claiming the high road on fiscal policy and demonstrating substantially the opposite.  There is no track record to differentiate Tea Partiers from Republicans, but given the current rhetoric, I fear we'd be in much worse shape with the bare minimum spending during a recession.

Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal?  If Congress can pass a law consistent with the Constitution, it's legal.  Remember TARP was under Bush, and I'm happy to report that it's largely been repaid.  Unless the country should plunge into financial ruin on the heels of a massive bubble collapse such as we just saw, the government needs to provide some stimulus to keep the economy moving forward.  With unemployment persistently high, the government is justified in borrowing money to spur things (infrastructure, real estate deals, or whatever) along until the private sector can pick up the tab again.  These last two years are a time I would have hated to see the alternative.

Political offices should be available to average people.  Absolutely.  Now how do we make it happen?  Clean elections?  Limit private contributions to campaigns?  Citizens United certainly pushes the system in the wrong direction.  Another problem with elections is that they are popularity contests.  One must be eloquent and armed with the right turns of phrase for any moment during the campaign, and during office, possess great character to avoid corruption.  The election process is also flawed.  I would like to see us switch to approval voting to balance the field for multiple parties and long-shot candidates.

How do you require English?  Some states have passed official language laws, simplifying the number of languages in which various documents may be prepared, but others have not.  In this melting-pot country, we have immigrants from all over.  They generally need to learn English, but there are large communities in which a citizen can function perfectly well without uttering a word of English.  Take any Chinatown for example.  In my experience, most immigrants don't resist learning English; it just takes time, more if they're in a tight community of folks speaking their own language.

Whose traditional family values?  In my family, we have love and respect.  There is substantial bigotry in my extended family, and it always strikes me as against the teachings of Christ, though the same people would tell you they are devout Christians.  My father wrote, "Choices, a Cautionary Tale" to explain how society ruined him.  I don't wish that course on anyone.  Boy Scouts of America, a focal point of my life from age 12 to 18 and a few years beyond, has alienated me and many others with their exclusion of a class of people because of who they are.  Another family value I espouse is that of long-term relationships.  I'm happy to see that the divorce rate has declined over the last decade.  My family values time together at the dinner table.  We also value a particular schedule, weekend time together, and our worship time.  Keep the government out of religious affairs is the gist of a piece I wrote three years back.

There are good reasons people disagree on things, and I have a great respect for many people with whom I disagree on these issues and others.  I especially appreciate civil discourse on the matters because, though it probably won't resolve our differences, it will help engender mutual respect and undo some of the polarization that has a grip on this country today.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

The obvious difference between speeding and illegal immigration is that illegal immigration is a drain on our society while speeding generally is not.

My opinion is that the Mexican government must begin to solve the problems within Mexico that make illegal immigration an attractive option. Chief among these is the corruption in Mexican government at all levels that prevents substantial numbers of Mexican citizens from getting good jobs and establishing sufficient incomes. The U.S. government must remove the support programs provided to illegals so that the prospect of being here illegally is unattractive. We must stop our endorsement of illegal immigration (i.e., hiring of illegals for cheap labor.) We must end NAFTA, which puts Mexican farmworkers out of business due to lowered costs for subsidized U.S. staples (thereby making it impossible for goods produced in Mexico to compete.)

Illegal immigration has other real consequences: drug violence, driving down wages for low-income American citizens, and driving UP health care costs, among others. Illegals benefit from the taxes Americans pay, yet don't contribute to paying American income taxes.

With regard to a stronger military... I fail to see how weakening our military any more than has already been done in recent times can possibly be of benefit. Folks can "hate on" defense contractors all they want, but the truth of the matter is that DETERRENCE is a key aspect of foreign policy and is why we must maintain a strong military.

Without a strong military deterrent, how will the U.S. retain its dominance as a superpower? Strength speaks--you don't ask a 90 pound weakling to do the work of a 220 pound linebacker. Deterrence is key--a strong capability to deter threats is necessary just so that you don't ever have to use it.

There are many political instruments of power (well, four principally: diplomatic, informational, economic, military), and I agree that they must be used together. However, a strong military is sometimes needed as a final check.

Speaking of government intrusion... has anyone ever considered the vast wealth of information available to the government since the Internet became widely available? Particularly with regard to personal information on Facebook, blogs such as this, personal webpages, financial sites, etc.? Our lives are more an open book now than ever. It would not be surprising to learn that in a classified vault somewhere, somebody is rack-and-stacking people into tidy little groups based upon their political persuasion, socioeconomic status, level of education, etc., etc.

On bailouts... Republicans have indeed "kept on spending" in response to an attack that happened in 2001. Yet the Obama administration's "stimulus plan" has cost more than BOTH the Afghanistan and Iraq wars combined. The government does NOT have the duty to bail out failed corporations such as GM GM *should* have been allowed to fail. I view that bailout as an illegal move, at least with respect to what I believe to be the charter of government. Government overstepped its bounds, in my opinion. GM failed--and should have gone out of business--because of years of producing substandard products when foreign companies produced automobiles offering more value, better durability, and better warranties. I just sold a 2001 Impala last week that has been nothing short of an unreliable rolling repair bill since the first transmission failure at 37,000 miles. Companies must be allowed to succeed or fail on their own merit.

Obama's debt: http://www.madville.com/out/news/305456_bush_deficit_vs_obama_deficit_in_pictures

Agree that special interests and lobbyists must go! Now, I must go wash my hands with soap... I typed a dirty word...

Anonymous said...

And to follow up on global warming:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Christy

Let's be real... global warming is a hoax engineered to force redistribution of wealth from you and me TO greedy governments. The regulation that results is a net loss of our freedom.

The media facilitates the hype by overblowing the issue and not presenting all sides.

Still, we must get off reliance upon fossil fuels and clean up vehicle emissions. I like electric vehicles, in concept. They're great commuter vehicles, and even if the cost of operation involves a higher electric bill I do like the idea of cutting emissions near roads and in cities... even if power plant emissions go up slightly. (Wonder if there's been a study to determine the net effect on power plant emissions if electric vehicles were used commonly.) And, in places like Florida (where I live), I'll bet that solar cells could charge these buggers while they sit in parking lots at work all day (obviating the need for an outlet at night).

We could have this technology YEARS AGO if our government had permitted the fossil fuel cash cow to die.

Jim said...

Time for you to do some serious research into global warming. It's certainly happening, and it's pretty clearly anthropogenic. [1] If you only believe information from right-wing news sources, you'll fly in a counter-clockwise circle forever! :)

If Mexico cleaned up all its problems and sounded a perfect clarion call that brought all its people home from up north, about half of our immigrant problem would be solved. The other half of the immigrants come from other places. [2] We have a very powerful jobs magnet - the jobs pay better than what's available back home, and Americans - even ex-convicts - certainly aren't clamoring for the work. [3].

Immigrants also aren't just freeloaders. Immigrants pay about $7 billion a year into Social Security which they can never collect. From my experience and some research, immigrants try to stay out of trouble with the law (probably to avoid detention and/or deportation, which would impair their ability to work, and that was the reason they came here in the first place, remember). Generally speaking, sneaking into this country is not a gateway crime. [4]

I don't know why you think the military is weakening. OMB says we're spending more. $300 billion in 2000 vs. $700 billion now. [5]

The government has been somewhat complicit in continuing our dependence on oil, foreign or domestic, because of pandering to industry lobbyists. It's a shame which will cost us dearly. But the issue here might be one of those cases where the free market can't do the Right Thing without some government intervention. The societal cost of burning a gallon of oil is somewhat less than the cost to extract that oil from the ground. "Cap and trade" is one answer - to have the market assess the value of that pollution. Another is a carbon tax. Either way, I'd like to see a lot more reality and less Pollyanna in energy pricing, and the proceeds from that pricing should go to sustainable energy programs (conservation and clean generation).

If we don't come together and cooperate to solve some of the real underlying problems we face today, we're looking at a very sad state of affairs in the next decade or two. [67]

Jim said...

Time for you to do some serious research into global warming. It's certainly happening, and it's pretty clearly anthropogenic. [1] If you only believe information from right-wing news sources, you'll fly in a counter-clockwise circle forever! :)

If Mexico cleaned up all its problems and sounded a perfect clarion call that brought all its people home from up north, about half of our immigrant problem would be solved. The other half of the immigrants come from other places. [2] We have a very powerful jobs magnet - the jobs pay better than what's available back home, and Americans - even ex-convicts - certainly aren't clamoring for the work. [3].

Immigrants also aren't just freeloaders. Immigrants pay about $7 billion a year into Social Security which they can never collect. From my experience and some research, immigrants try to stay out of trouble with the law (probably to avoid detention and/or deportation, which would impair their ability to work, and that was the reason they came here in the first place, remember). Generally speaking, sneaking into this country is not a gateway crime. [4]

I don't know why you think the military is weakening. OMB says we're spending more. $300 billion in 2000 vs. $700 billion now. [5]

The government has been somewhat complicit in continuing our dependence on oil, foreign or domestic, because of pandering to industry lobbyists. It's a shame which will cost us dearly. But the issue here might be one of those cases where the free market can't do the Right Thing without some government intervention. The societal cost of burning a gallon of oil is somewhat less than the cost to extract that oil from the ground. "Cap and trade" is one answer - to have the market assess the value of that pollution. Another is a carbon tax. Either way, I'd like to see a lot more reality and less Pollyanna in energy pricing, and the proceeds from that pricing should go to sustainable energy programs (conservation and clean generation).

If we don't come together and cooperate to solve some of the real underlying problems we face today, we're looking at a very sad state of affairs in the next decade or two. [67]